Honestly I couldn't even make it past level 1 of this part of the level pack for CCLP1... I must really, REALLY stink at this game.

Someone needs to do a Lynx version walk-through of the game. I haven't seen one yet anyway. There's now a few good ones of the MS version, but I wouldn't mind seeing a whole play through of the game, as it was originally intended.

On that note, I've recently been playing through the entire game in Lynx myself, for the first time. It's quite enjoyable.

A perhaps unrelated question but; I just played Time Laps a few times and once a soon as the level began the toggle walls closed immediately and never opened. This only happened once and seems really odd. Anybody know why?

I have a level concept I cannot figure out how to build effectively. I have been able to get some individual components of the level to work, but never the whole.

The idea is a level which is composed of multiple compartments, completed one after another. But, if you take too long to complete each room or when you complete it and pass to the next room it floods with monsters. Each room has its own monster as its theme - one each for blobs, fireballs, gliders, walkers, teeth, spiders and bugs.

I could make individual rooms of this work, or even two or three together, but I could not build the level because I could not figure out how to make clocks small enough that don't eat all my trap and clone connections.

So i need a small, fast, reliable clock that works in either ruleset that does not use many trap or clone connections. Do you have any ideas?

Now, how is this my fault???

You can name and even link to the first level you ever created below. I realize there are many ways one can define that term, so tell us how you define it or how your level fits that term.

My first level that I drew in an editor is called Five by Five and I have not really released it, but there is a version of it in kidsfair.ccl level #49

https://forum.bitbusters.club/thread-887.html

The first level I released to the public was for the create competition of September 2010, called Class is in Session. The level was quite tricky and I would believe nobody else has ever solved it. Ask me about it if you want to see it. I think I should release an updated version of it at some point in the future, and a simplified version too.

What about you guys?

That's fair enough - like I said it's a perfectly good level, I just thought it would be better to prioritize "new" content. Everyone gets to put their two cents in though, and if the consensus is that it should be in, then it'll go in. It's good to see so many differing opinions on what makes separates a good level from a great one - it's indicative of the variety of levels in the voting pool, and also of the preferences of the community itself, which can only be a good thing. While in most people's books, bad levels are still bad levels, it's also interesting to here others' praise for levels I didn't like or didn't get, and vice versa.


On the subject of levels, I completed the Shampoo Pack last night, and these are some of my thoughts. I apologize to anyone if I'm ruining the levels for you by discussing them in here - if this is the case please do say and I'll tone it down, I won't be offended (:

Firstly, is #13 (Breaking into Fireball Lab) busted? My reasoning is as follows:
(1) The clone button next to the flippers produces fireballs that I think are designed to block the exit, but they end up drowning in the water anyway, which nullifies the challenge somewhat.
(2) There are two pairs of unconnected clone buttons at (12,13) and (14,8), and fireball clone machines at (12,14) and (14,14). I'm guessing the intended solution was to jam up these machines, preventing fireballs from cloning near the exit?
(3) Very minor: the hint mentions glider controls, but there are no gliders in the level, although this seems to reinforce point (2).

#25 (Teamwork) was a great little monster manipulation level that was long enough to be non-trivial, but not too long that it overdoes the concept.

I know it's been mentioned before in previous threads, but I'd like to reinforce/reiterate that #28 (Chip Suey) is an ideal CCLP1 candidate, and would work really well as a "review" level. There's a wide variety of challenges presented in an interesting and novel way, but the level also gives you plenty of breathing space to stop and work things out before rushing into them.

#30 (Tesla Coil - Part A) was a level that I found challenging, yet hugely entertaining. Watching the streams of fireballs in the southern section pass by each other was nothing short of mesmerizing, and I was quite sad when I had to shut them off! The only small criticism is that it's very easy to go through both teleport rooms first and get stuck because you haven't collected all the chips yet. Thankfully, this is quite near the beginning of the level, so it's not really a game-breaker for me.

#31 (Booster Shots) was another level I really enjoyed. While primarily a block-pushing exercise, there are also elements of monster manipulation and dodging to spice things up in between rooms. I also love that you can explore almost the whole level using the force floors, allowing the player to choose what order to do things in.

While an interesting level, I found #34 (Out of the Frying Pan) took far too much effort just to figure out what I was supposed to do. I spent hours pushing blocks randomly into teleports and deflecting fireballs with almost zero knowledge of what I was supposed to be doing, let alone why. It's just not a very intuitive level, so I can't vote it very high. Also, dodging fireballs in a 7x3 room with two blocks you cant trash, especially when the floor is also fire and the fireballs are hard to see was just mean.

Waiting around for 30 seconds at the beginning of #39 (Fwackoom) is really annoying, especially since once you're finally freed, you have to make a mad dash for a blue button to avoid cooking the level. On top of this, once you're past this point there's nothing more to the level than cloning some more fireballs and destroying some bombs...

Lastly, I'm so glad this set was rounded off by a level like #49 (Relic 2). The extra teeth monsters really add to the sense of urgency and make the level far more exciting. Running away from monsters, combined with the fast-paced nature of an ice puzzle, was incredibly enjoyable. Far from being annoyed when I found out most of the teeth were superfluous, I praise this level for two reasons:
(1) This level succeeds where so many others fail based on the simple concept of "more stuff does not necessarily equal a better level" - call it smoke and mirrors if you like, but this level achieves a lot by doing very little, and that has to be commended.
(2) This is the first level that has genuinely terrified me since VICTIM from CC1

To the Lipstick Pack!

File category: CC1 Levelsets

Fixed bust in this level for CCLP1 voting.

Attached Files

  overandback.ccl (Size: 421 bytes / Downloads: 356)

Maybe having a single thread for all 1500+ levels is a bit much, and it would still be better to have one per pack. Anyway, I haven't read the rest of this thread yet, but wanted to comment on a minor inequality and a bust. I played Giraffe first as it had the least downloads at the time.



#28 (Androidal) in ms you can boost backwards off the ff at (9,7). Not much of a difference, but still wanted to say something, and it's not hard to make it equal by adding another ff. Same kind of thing with #29 (Fibonacci) at (12,15), though that is even less significant. (Talking of which, that level (#29) really needs a higher time limit; it's currently five minutes and it take almost four minutes to play through even with familiarity of the level.)



#32 (Death Box) seems busted by just pushing a block onto the blue button. I earlier thought this was the intended solution, but now took a better look and there is a longer solution that was probably the intended one. I have a suggestion for how to fix this, but it comes with a stupid stipulation: if you implement my suggestion, I would appreciate it if you also kept the aesthetics of the mechanism intact (they are only visible in an editor anyway). Here's a picture of what I was thinking:





Note the monster order and the gravel under the other tank. Now if the tank button (19,22) is pressed with a block, the exit is still not reachable; however, if the socket is opened and the blue button there is pressed, the level works as before. This works in both ms and lynx. If the mechanism is hard to reconstruct from the picture, I can send an edited version of the level upon request.



So far have had quite a bit of fun playing! Am trying to play through one pack per week, and not forcing myself to finish every level if skipping one here and there is otherwise more efficient.



-Miika

Just finished playing through Flouncy - score one for finishing university and having needless amounts of free time .

Naturally I enjoyed #9 (Mini Puzzle II), but #7 (Dictator Blob), #13 (Sphinx), #14 (Freedom Or Die), #31 (Reverse Direction) and #50 (Lunar Spaceway) also all get top marks for me. With the exception for Reverse Direction, which reminded me a bit of SAMPLER from CC1, I loved how each of these levels appeared intimidating at first sight, but were actually deceptively simple, and I felt really pleased with myself for completing them. That's not to say they were easy or trivial to play - Lunar Spaceway especially took me a good while to work out what order things had to be done in.

A few other comments:

I found #35 (Chip Skate) a very interesting level. It's pointedly obvious what needs to be done to complete the level but that's where the kindness stops. It's so easy to get lost since everything looks the same and you spend so much time sliding. The numerous ice skates that arbitrarily litter the level with almost reckless abandon add to the challenge even further, since you have no idea which pair you should be trying to collect. I ended up making a map, since I wouldn't look in the editor if the level was in the finished article, and finally managed to work out where I was supposed to be going. For these reasons, I'm not sure whether I adore or despise this level, but it intrigued me nonetheless (:

Also, if anyone wants to tell me what the heck is going on in #39 (Circle gets the Square), I'd be most appreciative. I've played the level twice now and both times it just felt like an epic blur. I'm not quite sure what I did, but it worked!

Glad to see two of my better (in my opinion) levels in this pack. I won't name them to avoid bias (I'm assuming the whitelist has been taken down from public view?), but I hope they do well all the same. I'll tackle the Giraffe Pack tomorrow. Really pleased by the quality of the levels I've played so far!

I've just finished the Cardboard Pack, starting on the Flouncy Pack next. Loving the names (:

From Cardboard, I really enjoyed #3 (Around And Again), #21 (Upstream) and #28 (More Mini Puzzles). I also l thought #42 (Slide of 25 Trials) was pretty good, but I died a few too many times at the exact same point (annoyingly right before the last chip >_>) for me to really enjoy it.